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dsquared

You have something in common with John Birt, you'll presumably be pleased to know.

ajay

They were specially made. They had no other conceivable purpose. Do an Adam Smith and the pencil number on that and think about all the things brought together to make these implements

Look up "Lochgelly tawse". They were indeed specially made, by various companies, the best-known being John J Dick of Lochgelly...

Wikipedia writes: "Lochgelly tawses were produced in four different weights; Light, Medium, Heavy & Extra Heavy. Each tawse would be stamped either L, M, H or XH to indicate its thickness."

Getting the belt was a regular part of a Scottish education, right up to the 1980s.

Richard J

Ah, I started school only a couple of years before it was banned, but the favoured tool in Oxfordshire primary schools was the wooden ruler across the knuckles.

Phil

Late 60s, Welsh primary school, we got caned. I once got another boy caned by calling him a liar when he tried to get me caned, by grassing me up for something I had in fact done. (We didn't get on very well before...) That was excessive - the inspectors came round a while later, and the teacher in question retired on health grounds immediately afterwards - but caning itself was normal.

Early 70s, Welsh grammar school, no caning. A certain amount of old-school hair-tweaking and board-rubber-chucking, mainly from the more sadistic teachers; some mutterings about how bad it used to be ("he held this one kid up against the wall...")

Mid-70s, English fee-paying secondary school, a few teachers had their own disciplinary impedimenta - and were known to use them, demonstratively and theatrically - but nothing official. No tweaking to speak of.

Odd. It's as if the British teaching body just collectively stopped believing in its right to batter children, somewhere round about 1969. All except the Christian Brothers, obviously.

Richard J

About the time the WW2 generation started to retire, I'd guess. The one teacher I ever had who favoured the use of the ruler was a ferocious old crone forced to retire under allegations of fiscal impropriety.

Richard J

Two-post mentiness, but it does surprise me that a Stephen Levitt-equivalent has not researched whether the abolition of corporal punishment in schools is now causing a decline in the number of dominatrices...

Fellow Traveller

As the Church teaches:

Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Resist not evil.

Love thy enemy.

alle

Hm, they were ahead of their time. One of the most popular modern torture techniques is to whip prisoners on fingers and feet with a thick electric cable. Bends, but doesn't break; hurts, but doesn't injure; whip-effect, but no breaking of the skin. Were there also mock crucifixions and waterboarding in the baptismal font?

Shuggy

"the Lochgelly Tawse"

Yeah, I got that at school. As you point out, it is customary to say, "It never did me any harm" - to which I respond, "It never did me any good either". I think, in my own case anyway, the evidence is in my favour.

Chris Williams

Oddly enough, at the about the same time, the British middle class stopped picking their sons out for abuse by the youth of the working class by making them wear distinctive school uniforms. Soft, they got.

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