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December 01, 2009

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Richard J

Someone with some experience in tax structuring writes:

Fuck knows. Personal tax planning isn't really my speciality, but none of it makes much sense on first sight. Why use an LP and an LLP? Why have a 30 April y/e, which has cash flow advantages only for an individual sole trader (or partner in a trading partnership). Why have numerous companies under common control, which knocks their tax bands down? All very weird, if I'm being honest.

The cynic in me notes that the Guardian now knows the difference between a limited partnership and a company, after that whole Tesco libel affair.

Richard J

All very weird

Not in an 'anything dodgy' sense of the phrase. Just genuine mystification as to what exactly it's meant to do. Then again, it has the sniff of inheritance tax planning, which is something I've never touched.

Alex

This thing of charging one of his companies "management fees" from another - where he's on both sides of the table - looks dodgy. Not only is it how Conrad Black used to do things before his unfortunate jail problem, it's also one way to extract quasi-profit from a non-profit organisation. (Compare to the affairs of Very Big Trade Association, with its various interlocking limited by guarantee companies and US 501(3)c lobby groups that essentially suck its surplus into a Delaware 501(3)c that then pays out quite impressive salaries.)

Richard J

This thing of charging one of his companies "management fees" from another - where he's on both sides of the table - looks dodgy. Not only is it how Conrad Black used to do things before his unfortunate jail problem, it's also one way to extract quasi-profit from a non-profit organisation.

Not necessarily - it can be used dodgily, but it's also a legimate way of moving profits round a corporate group - there's transfer pricing concerns, but it's not in itself evidence of wrongdoing. Where Conrad Black was doing was using management charges to move profits from one group of beneficial owners (i.e. the shareholders) to a much smaller group (i.e himself and his mates)...

Chris Williams

Legacies . . . Here's a hypothesis: for some reasonably well understood reasons, Leo's arrival made TB retreat mentally into family-centred world, where he prioritised the future well-being of his son over that of the rest of us. Did his dodgy Silvio links increase from that date?

Laban

Tax Research Blog

The limited liability partnership is tax transparent. If it had Tony Blair as a member he would pay tax at the UK highest income tax rate. So two companies are put in his place as members, and because of the loophole in the limited partnership accounting regulations this is acceptable: it does not change the fact that the limited partnership will not have to file accounts.

And then the two companies are owned by nominees to hide the Blair involvement – it’s just a pity one set of accounts had to give it away that he was the beneficial owner or we might still be unaware of all this.

So what did Tony want? Just a bit of secrecy and his profits sheltered at corporate tax rates seems the superficial answer.

But hang on – this structure came at some price, and has some cost to run – five figures a year with a first digit of more than one I suspect. So why do that? Because the entity at the top of the pile – Windrush Ventures No 3 Limited Partnership now has what most people want from a secrecy jurisdiction – complete secrecy and lower tax than might otherwise be expected, and all onshore.

So there is an obvious question outstanding still. Just what is it that Tony is so keen to hide that he’ll go to this length and this cost to do so?

Richard J

Hmm. I think that seems eminently plausible, once you strip out the usual Richard Murphy spin (notice he contradicts himself about the tax efficiency of the structure in his post - his first statement that it's not tax efficient is the correct one, in my view). It's a strangely elaborate way of going about the goal of getting some privacy about your affairs without going offshore. Typical bloody lawyer-work, if you ask me. They're not the ones who have to do the accounting/tax returns. (Mumble mumble grumble.)

Tom Scudder

There are many plausible ways to spell Col. Qadafi's name. Starting with a "Gh" is not one of them.

Please, think of the children!

jamie

Well there are so many of them that I decided to revert to the comforting certitudes of my childhood, when it were all green fields round here, the place wasn't full of foreigners and their funny cooking smells and Ghadaffi was spelled GH and bloody well liked it.

Tom Scudder

Just bear in mind that that spelling causes actual physical pain to the Arabic-literate among your audience. Which might be a feature as far as I know.

(Quick and dirty guide to spelling The Guide's name: Q or G for the first consonant, single or double-D for the middle, with trailing h optional, single or double f for the final consonant; a / a / (y or i) for the vowels.)

ajay

Great. 32 possible correct ways of spelling it and jamie manages one that's actually provably wrong. What are the odds?

I agree, incidentally, that we should be able to spell Ghadarphi however we want, even if it's "wrong", cf. Churchill constantly referring to "narzies".

jamie

That's odd because what I did was revert to the spelling that all the British newspapers traditionally used. I'd always assumed that all the different spellings you see more recently was because there wasn't a settled English version of the name and that different newspapers versions were branding exercises (Qadafi - ONLY in the New York Times). So also Hez/Hiz/bollah. So I just went with what I was used to.

Up here, incidentally, the G-stroke-Q man is usually pronounced Gerdaffy when he makes the local news, with the emphasis on the "da"

alle

(Quick and dirty guide to spelling The Guide's name: Q or G for the first consonant, single or double-D for the middle, with trailing h optional, single or double f for the final consonant; a / a / (y or i) for the vowels.)

You're forgetting the article: al, al-, Al, Al-, el, el-, El, El-, or even, why not, some variety of ul; also, the various ways of signifying vowel length (a, á, aa). And then there's his first name.

As for his own preference, he once signed a Latin-lettered letter "Gathafi", but judging from his website he seems to have decided on different spellings for different languages, of which the Italian one actually starts with a Gh. So there.

Phil

A pedant writes: the Italian one only starts with a Gh because it's got an E as the first vowel, not an A; "Gedaffi" without the H would be pronounced "Jed-". Just saying.

What struck me about that page is that the canonical English spelling apparently doesn't use al, al-, Al, Al-, el, el-, El, El- or even, why not, some variety of ul; in English he's AL Gathafi, like AL Kennedy.

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