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July 23, 2011

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Barry Freed

Yes, but it's use in contemporary Islamophobic polemics is down to Bat Ye'eor who is quoted extensively in that piece as a source by Fjordman(and who is not, I think, Breivik).

CMcM

What fresh hell is this? I've just discovered Glen Beck's take:


"As the thing started to unfold, and then there was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler Youth or whatever -- I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing. But anyway, so there's this political camp, and some crazy man goes and starts shooting kids."

"..I warned of this, Europe is being overrun...Islamic towns are getting into the,er...middle management...its 'squeezing the net' of Europe...multiculturalism is killing us, so you get a rightwing reaction...a fascist reaction....this guy is doing work of all who want 'big government' - a terrorist act.....he's just as bad as Osama bin Laden"

Short version: its 'em Muzzies wot caused it, without them you wouldn't have fascists - and I'm not a fascist anyway, I hate big government (BTW, hey, social democratic youth camps? Ain't that worrying....)

ajay

I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing.

I couldn't agree with you more, Glenn.

Alex

I think its prehistory (before Bat Ye'or) also takes in 70s French extreme-right politics (GRECE and all that).

Bat Ye'or is a pseudonym and, apparently, translates as "Daughter of the Nile", thus implying that the author is a Sephardic woman who emigrated to Israel from Egypt in the 1950s or at least wants you to think that.

So it seems to have been picked up from old fashioned French fascists, marketed to US wingnuts, and re-injected into the Euro extreme right as being new and American in the early 2000s, before being reflected back into the wankosphere via Dan Hannan's Brussels Journal and should-know-better VSPs like Chris Caldwell. The Atlantic bullshit circulation - where you float something in British newspapers so you can run the story as a quote in the States - is well known, I think.

Interestingly, Melanie Phillips' and Michael Gove's "Londonistan" concept was AFAIK originally something the French government pushed in the 90s when the UK refused to send Algerian refugees back to either Algeria, or else to the French police who would typically return them to Algeria.

alle

CMcM: He's not Breivik, according to both himself (denying in fresh posts) and Breivik (in the manifesto).

Bat Ye'or is the original Eurabia conspiracy nut, regardless of where she stole the word. She's based in the UK, but rose to fame on the US neocon crazy fringe first. After that, more of a shared effort, since all the ideological production for modern Islamophobia takes place online anyway.

Actually I think that might be the reason why this crap is so successful: unlike most modern ideologies, the modern anti-Muslim movement has audience and input on both sides of the Atlantic. It's perfectly positioned to grow in the gap of mutual ignorance in between.

Ken MacLeod

Thanks, all. I seem to be up to speed.

Alex

She's based in the UK

Interesting: I didn't know that.

CMcM

Fair do's. Thanks for the corrections

Chris Williams

She's based in the UK? Shit, that means that Mad Mel might have a point about the UK being a safe haven for the inspirers of terrorism. Dang.

Cian

Does Gove buy into Eurabia? I know he believes some bollocks - couldn't remember how total it was.

Alex

Recommended the book of that name in his book Celsius 7/7.

Chris Williams

The sinner that repenteth:
https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38928_The_Oslo_Terrorists_Counter-Jihad_Ideology

bert

I believe he's been repentething for a few years now (https://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35243_Why_I_Parted_Ways_With_The_Right).
In 2007, Johnson got irked by the participation of Vlaams Belang in a wingnut anti-Jihad conference. He spoke up, noisily, and was promptly declared a nonperson.

I don't follow LGF, but my understanding is that it's a different place from the old days, when it inspired that 'Little Green Footballs or Late German Fascists' pop quiz.

(As a footnote to the article Barry linked to on another thread, the old-style LGF won the Jerusalem Post's 'best Israel advocacy blog' in 2005. B&T seems like it'd be more Haaretz territory.)

Chris Williams

I know that it's not news, but it's a hopeful sign. It's also worth noting that Johnson sees the link between Eurabia bollocks and violence.

alle

Belatedly, I clicked the Tea Party summer camp link above. Can't wait for the next generation of republicans:

Pupils start in a drab "Europe" room, where they are ordered into specific seats by a "king", forced to sing repetitive songs and can eat only dry crackers and bread.

Chris Brooke

Oh, excellent.

ajay

It is rather splendid, isn't it? Nos ancetres les goldbugs.

CMcM

A fisking of a Fox News claim that Breivik is, erm, not a right wing Conservative.(Just an random nutter apparently, could have been a marxist or an Islamist, anything really, we musn't let these events drag our attention away from the main threat etc, etcetc....)

bert

Fascists are left-wing and liberal, Charlie.
I thought this was widely known.

Really, it's been gone into thoroughly.
Jonah went to the library at least twice. Or if it was just the once he stayed the whole afternoon, I'm sure of that.

Barry Freed

Via an academic Islamic studies listserv, Michael Sells on Breivik and the Serge Trifkovic, Radovan Karadzic, Bat Ye'or nexus. Sells, now at the U of Chicago, is a superb scholar of Islam and quite possibly the finest translator of classical Arabic (prose and poetry) into English. He's half Serbian, FWIW and his book on the genocide in the former Yugoslavia, The Bridge Betrayed is a great read and a fine addition to the B&T reading list. Link here [it's a small PDF file]

Wajahath Dean

Another quote from the manfesto.

"Saturday May 14 - Day 13: I continued to synthesize acetylsalicylic acid from aspirin. It's the Eurovision finale today. I just love Eurovision...!:-) It's a lot of crap music but I think it's a great show all in all."

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