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May 01, 2012



Nothing to do with 9/11. Wikipedia. All presidents since 1958 with exceptions Johnson and Nixon have observed it.

Barry Freed

That's because for Nixon, every day was Loyalty Day.

Speaking of meaningless McCarthyite sloganeering, while visiting my parents last night I heard from them the line that Obama is a communist, not just a socialist but an out-and-out communist. It was all I could do to refrain from asking my mother to provide a working definition of communism and then explain how Obama fits said definition. Fortunately it was evening and we'd had dinner and I was on my way out the door. Children, don't let your parents do Fox News.


The only way to respond to that is to outdo it, viz. "You're right. Well, of course he's a communist. He's Korean, isn't he?"


Republicans - articulating the beliefs of the senile since 2001.

Chris Brooke

A friend posted this on my Facebook page:

*** There had been local efforts to reclaim May Day from the left as early as the 1920s through the declaration of May 1 as "Americanization Day," but the push for "Loyalty Day" started in 1948 via the VFW.

"Billed as an 'anti-Fascist procession', the May Day parade in New York City was still drawing thousands of participants as late as 1949 and 1950. Marchers invariably included the leadership of the Communist party, left-wing labor groups, and veterans in uniform, including women and minority veterans on prominent display. They took an 'anti-Fascist loyalty pledge,' denounced the Jim Crow laws, the Taft-Hartley Act, and the Atlantic Pact, and paraded behind signs that read 'Hail the VIctories of the Chinese People,' 'Homes for Vets,' and 'No Deals with Franco Spain.' In 1948 the Veterans of Foreign Wars decided to challenge tha May Day parade in New York with a loyalty parade of its own, and over the next few months a National Loyalty Day Committee, headed by Secretary of Labor Maurice J. Tobin, began asking the governors of all states to issue declarations giving Loyalty Day an official status.... (Michael Hogan, A Cross of Iron: Harry S. Truman and the Origins of the National Security State, 1945-1954, Cambridge UP, 1998, p. 437.)

Eisenhower gave it national recognition in 1958. ***


May 1? Why not April 1?


That's a lovely story, Barry.
Can I get your Mom a gift subscription to the London Daily Mail?

I had an experience today overhearing two work colleagues chatting about our big election in London on Thursday, listening to them replaying memes fed to them by Lynton Crosby like for all the world it was their own original thought, and thinking that when I cast my vote it will only half cancel out their two. I guess your presidential election is going to feel like that for you. At least in our dumb system you get to vote in a different seat to your parents, if not your workmates...

Barry Freed

Ha, I do my utmost to avoid politics in their presence lest I break the Fifth Commandment, and being long past my teenage years, have no longer a warrant to do so.

Also it was nearing 7 and I was already trying to leave as 60 Minutes was about to come on and the first story was about former CIA D/NCS Jose Rodriguez who just wrote that book justifying torture and if there's one thing guaranteed to make me visibly physically and emotionally upset and inclined to loud argumentative outbursts it's torture (fortunately it sounds like the 60 Minutes segment took him to task, but I couldn't stand to stick around and hear the inevitable comments).


I actually had to look up the fifth commandment...

and I'm now confused as to whether you're worried about violating the Protestant Bible's fifth ("Honor thy father and thy mother") or the Catholic Bible's fifth ("thou shalt not kill")! Or maybe both??

Barry Freed

Well, I was actually thinking of the Talmudic ennumeration (which is basically the same as the Protestant) but I was raised Catholic so maybe that was a bit of a Freudian slip.


Good Lord. I had no idea the Prods had them in a different order.


ejh,as Strategist's link makes clear, it's all about the need to slap down hard on graven imagery.




it's all about the need to slap down hard on graven imagery.

It's remarkable the extent to which the "thou shalt not kill' commandment (whether that be the fifth or sixth, according to your taste, it's always definitely on the list) was broken in the dispute over whether the graven image thing counted as a commandment.

At least Sir Thos. Fairfax was an honourable exception to that.

Chris Williams

That's a fine website you've just linked to, Strategist - I'd say that even if it wasn't put together by my old mate Lisa.


Gosh, I didn't bother to have a look around before, thanks for the tip. It is indeed a fine site. Exemplary, one might say - a noble addition to the internet. And, although one must say how dare the council try to nick the name, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


"thou shalt not kill' commandment (whether that be the fifth or sixth, according to your taste, it's always definitely on the list

Arguably, in the original it's "thou shalt not murder", and in the second edition it doesn't appear at all, being replaced with a lot of stuff about Harvest Festival (Exodus xxx).


I went on a tour of Wren's City of London churches and it always used to say, if I recall correctly, "thou shalt do no murder".

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