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July 27, 2006

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dsquared

I am tentatively interested in advancing the "tunnels theory" - a theory of mine that if you are dealing with a force that has dug tunnels, you are basically screwed. Tunnels are really good to hide in and (as the Yanks found out in Cu Chi) surprisingly difficult to collapse, even with bunker-busters.

Backword Dave

"With no takers on a peace keeping force it will be up to the US to save Israel's bacon." Have I missed something? I thought Israel was the invading force here, and laying into everyone else. (Also, when will someone touchy (like Stephen Pollard) take offence at the word 'bacon' in that sentence. Proof that the so-called liberal media is stuffed with inveterate anti-Semites!)

D2, the obvious disadvantage to being in a tunnel is if your enemy decides to use gas. This is, of course, prohibited, though that didn't stop Donald Rumsfeld selling chemical weapons to Saddam (or the Soviet Union ditto to Iran). I think Israel is clearly outside international law already, and it's justified its actions (such as bombing all large trucks, even if they're civilian builders or medical supplies) by claiming that Hezbollah provoked them. I won't be surprised is gas (easy enough to knock up) allied with the claim that civilians won't be in the tunnels, so this way they really are getting at combatants.

jamie

Looking at some of the reporting in the Israeli press, there seems to be trouble actually locating them before the inhabitants make themselves known. Also, it's a bit hard to get a bomb down a horizontal tunnel entrance.

Which makes you wonder: given that hezb is supposed to be such an existantial threat, how come IDF battlefield intelligence is so poor. They've been where they are for years and they're not exactly a great distance away.

dsquared

"Which makes you wonder: given that hezb is supposed to be such an existantial threat, how come IDF battlefield intelligence is so poor."

I maintain my "dogs look like their owners" theory; they've been hanging around the Americans so long they've picked up bad habits.

Dave: christ I never thought of that. I bet they wouldn't even have to come up with an excuse; a quick glance at Harry's Place reveals that there is no shortage of people who would be happy to believe a flat denial.

jamie

Had a quick look just now. HP seems to have turned into the regional office of the Kurdistan Tourist Board. Wonder who they'll have left to make pets of if the Turks come over the border?

Alex

Tunnels - didn't they do the French in the Maginot line, the Germans in the Atlantikwall, and the Japs on Iwo Jima such a lotta good?

More seriously, this is just an example of fortifications doing what they are there for - making some routes of approach really hard. The best counter is to go around them. Watch the Kiryat Shmona area.

jamie

"Watch the Kiryat Shmona area."

Isn't that just across the border from Khaim? Four dead UN observers explained...

Ed Rooksby

According to my friend, they are using gas already.

http://www.thisisyork.co.uk/search/display.var.847216.0.students_trapped_in_war_zone.php

Ed Rooksby

Bollocks. URL got cut off. Basically, someone I know who was in Lebanon (since fled) claims the IDF are using poison gas

(rest of URL)

students_trapped_in_war_zone.php

"Christine had claimed that poisonous gases were apparently being used in the area."

No way of verifying this of course. But I trust her.

Litfaßsäule

great site...very good

Phil

a quick glance at Harry's Place reveals that there is no shortage of people who would be happy to believe a flat denial.

My first reaction to Dave's comment was that it would be very, very difficult for Israel, of all countries, to use gas.

My second reaction was that, if the official denial went in early enough, it could be very difficult to accuse Israel, of all countries, of using gas.

Ugh.

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