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October 03, 2009



Another one up? A big spanking for UKIP, more like.

Consider that they staked what credibility they have on this, they sent all their significant figures to go stump around Ireland, they briefed made-up polls from some old terrorist guy to the press under their own name, and they gave the No campaign money.

And if they achieved anything, it was to make their allies look like a bunch of west Brits.

Also, the only hope of preventing the treaty going into force is now Vaclav Klaus on his own, quite possibly defying the Czech constitution, which isn't the most obvious example of standing up against teh euroelite.


Well, I meant in comparison with the Tories, who were also depending on another no vote. I suspect from UKIP's point of view having Lisbon go into force just makes things clearer. It doesn't force them to adapt. It's the Tories who are hostile to it but will basicaly have to give in to its application.


If the independence of the judiciary means anything in the Czech Republic, is the court really going to faff around delaying a decision for the convenience of Klaus and his Eurosceptic mucker Dave? They could just as easily decide everything's in order in the middle of the UK election.

Splintered Sunrise

Independence of the Czech judiciary? Tell me about the independence of the Irish referendum commission and its total failure to meet its constitutional obligations. They really did pull out all the stops on this one.


Somebody on Crooked Timber quoted Dick Roche:

Regarding the Polish and Czech presidents, it is a matter for them and it is a matter for their people. The ball is now firmly in their court.

All I can say is that Ireland has lived up to its responsibilities and it is now up to them to live up to theirs.

What a cock.

Splintered Sunrise

That's one of the politer things you could say about Dick Roche. He's a shining example of the southern Irish political class.


@ Splintered Sunrise: Given the perennial complaint about 'unelected judges' whenever a decision goes the way a politician doesn't want, Cameron's reliance that the Czech constitutional court will spare him the bother of deciding whether or not to call a post-ratification referendum is, at the least, curious.

Splintered Sunrise

There was a lovely piece by Ian Traynor in yesterday's Graun about how Klaus was desperately looking for a "pretext" to avoid ratification, and instead he should go along with "the democratically elected parliament". Traynor didn't see fit to mention that a) Klaus is elected head of state, b) the leadership of Klaus' party broke a manifesto pledge not to oppose Lisbon and c) over half the Czech population say in polls that they oppose Lisbon. But this is exactly the sort of anti-democratic flapdoodle that I've come to expect from Traynor.

Splintered Sunrise

Sorry, should be the ODS broke their manifesto pledge so as not to oppose Lisbon. Theoretically, they were supposed to oppose it.


So Klaus doesn't have some kind of presidential veto he can invoke as part of his democratic mandate? (Thanks for the info on the flip-flops in Czech politics; it sounds not that far from the mess that the major UK parties have got themselves into here.)

Splintered Sunrise

Don't know if he has a veto as such, but I think he can refer bills to the constitutional court - the Irish president has a similar power, and a lot of people got very annoyed recently that she didn't refer the blasphemy bill. But AFAIK this current case at the Czech constitutional court was brought by a group of conservative senators - maybe Klaus wound them up to do it, but it isn't a case of a personally obtuse Klaus standing against some overwhelming consensus.

Igor Belanov

Splintered Sunrise seems to possess the old 'Little Englander' position of lining up with anyone including Enoch Powell and the nutty right-wing in order to preserve the tenuous possibility of achieving 'Socialism in one country'. But in this case it's 'Little Irelandism'.


Here's the Wikipedia page on the Czech presidency. As I thought I remembered, the Czech Republic cut the post down a lot from what it was in post-1989 Czechoslovakia.

He can send a bill back to parliament, but parliament can then decide to pass it anyway. However, if the bill constitutes an amendment to the constitution, which passes on a three-fifths supermajority, he's obliged to sign it.

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