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October 09, 2009

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FlyingRodent

Perhaps someone could launch some kind of academic study to explain why a party with a history of nationalistic chest-beating and petty xenophobia, run by and for the benefit of a gaggle of overprivileged, whiny white minor aristocrats, would feel more affinity with Nazis than Communists.

As a side note, surely it would've been the easiest thing in the world to just say "Well, all of the major factions in the European Parliament contain headbangers" and leave it at that? We'd all have got bored eventually if they'd just kept their mouths shut and blown all these questions off as a joke.

Unless, of course, the Tories feel there's some principle at stake that's worth fighting for - can't imagine what that might be.

Cian

Isn't this just a sign of Cameron's weakness. Politically it was a stupid thing to do both here (the Nazi thing) and in Europe (he has seriously weakened the bargaining power of any future Conservative government) and I suspect Cameron realised this. However he was forced into it by the nutcase headbangers in his own party.

I suspect that if Cameron does win the next election (and after that bizarre conference, I'm less convinced than I was. Still seems likely, but perhaps a smaller majority than predicted, perhaps), then we'll see a lot more of this kind of thing. A weak leader for a party where all the ideas are coming from the far right, and with economic policy drawn from the worst of the populist right. Fuck its going to be horrible.

Fellow Traveller

Conservatives accurately state that both communism and fascism did not derive from their own doctrines: both groups radically opposed existing society and wanted to destroy it and construct a new order. The fascists, once they attained power within the limits of the existing political system, made deals with the conservative parties and set about gradually reshaping the social order through the various new laws they promulgated (such as the persecution of the Jewish minority). This contrasts with the uncompromising approach of the communists who retained an allegiance to revolution. The fascists although working with the existing ruling class still aimed to supplant it at least in Hitler's case where he began the breeding program that would produce the new Aryan master race. This would ultimately replace the old German aristocracy even if it incorporated their best elements.

Of course, the fascists couldn't stick to a gradual, reformist program and reverted to type by starting a vast war that would accelerate the whole transformation (out of the war the victorious master race would emerge purged of the impure).

The conservatives behaved as the useful idiots of the fascists not sensing their ultimate goal required the destruction of the traditional ruling order and way of life the conservatives sought to preserve.

Phil

I have to say, your German history strikes me as eccentric, FT.

[Hitler] began the breeding program that would produce the new Aryan master race.

ITYM "Himmler had some weird ideas and the power to put far too many of them into practice. Hitler thought it all sounded good and let him get on with it."

This would ultimately replace the old German aristocracy even if it incorporated their best elements

ITYM "Himmler had some weird ideas and some even weirder ideas about how things were going to turn out in 20 or 50 years' time. It wasn't like that, almost certainly never would have been and probably never could have been."

Of course, the fascists couldn't stick to a gradual, reformist program and reverted to type

If you still mean the National Socialists, they reverted to type the moment they got their hands on any power at all (viz. 30th January 1933). The only thing less gradualist than the SA was the Night of the Long Knives.

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