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May 24, 2010



though urban West Lancashire must be a hard accent to revise on, since you don’t hear much of it down in that London

I know a Leyther who's been here since 1969 who still speaks with a perfect Leigh accent - in fact, he's my godfather, charged with my moral guidance. His role in the London Amateur Rugby League may have helped, although in that case, why doesn't he sound like a New Zealander?


also, I think I've actually become broader down here, although I wasn't so much to start with.


Contrariwise, I've been up here since 1982, & I still don't rhyme 'blood' with 'good' or 'class' with 'mass'. I can hear a bit of Manchester in my normal speaking voice, but hardly anyone else can - and when I get launched I basically turn into Alfie.


"His role in the London Amateur Rugby League may have helped, although in that case, why doesn't he sound like a New Zealander?"

Because he wants the New Zealanders to know where their game came from, and because he thinks they regard it as authentic.


entirely off topic, I think we've found the Indian Sukhoi-30 target.

Matt McG

Mine has softened a bit in 10 years in England, but the real hard work of accent-alteration happened when moving from 25 miles outside Glasgow to Glasgow itself.

Then again, my grandfather has lived in the SE for 60 years, and still sounds broad Yorkshire.

john b

I thought League was mostly NSW & Queensland, with NZ mostly playing Union? I could be wrong, but.

When I was working in Manchester, my immediate boss and his immediate boss were both from Bolton. My boss had gone to the local comp, then a BA at Cambridge, then worked in London for five years, then moved back to Manchester; he had a standard middle-class accent.

His boss had gone to the local private-ex-grammar, then a BSc and MSc at UCL, then worked in London for 10 years, then moved back to Manchester; he had a thick Bolton accent. He's now been in New York for another 10 years, and still has exactly the same accent. If he's not deliberately playing Stock Bluff Northerner for business purposes, then I'd be distinctly surprised.


Jamie - I don't have access to webmail while at work, but on reflection, I think that number I gave you last night is very much a highest-possible estimate and my best guess would be less than half that. Total holdings of gilts by non-residents are £339bn; total holdings by foreign central banks £215bn.


"We should build a hydropower plant in Motuo ... as soon as possible because it is a great policy to protect our territory from Indian invasion and to increase China's capacity for carbon reduction"

I can't exactly work out how a hydro dam is going to help you defend against an invasion. Unless the plan is to open the sluices all of a sudden, cf. the Germans with the Rhine dams in 1944-5.


though urban West Lancashire must be a hard accent to revise on, since you don’t hear much of it down in that London

He does keep a house in his constituency though - I know he does, I've seen the receipts.

Richard J

But then at the top you get these very strange people who seem absolutely disconnected from anything outside themselves, whose political formation seems unrelated to any wider connection with the various tribes and cabals of this particular tax generating area, a power tribe who in a way barely exist now that they are no longer in office: obsolescent careerists, babbling about C2s, exploring the equity of foreigner bashing.

Working hypothesis: New Labour was very much a Militant-style entryist project; following the electoral failure of the SDP, a small group, wanting to recreate the US Democratic party in the UK (i.e. vaguely socially progressive, business friendly, non-class aligned) deliberately set about taking over one of the two party structures that could realistically win an election.

(Accent anecdotage: Beyond saying 'bath' and 'path' in the historically correct fashion, I don't have much/any of a Yorkshire accent, thanks to moving up there when I were eleven. Younger sisters both much stronger. I blame my dad (Cumbrian grammar school lad, first in his family to go to university, &c.), who managed to completely wipe out the thick Cumberland accent he must have grown up with. Doesn't even say 'marra'.

Chris Williams

The Co-op party structures served as a conveyor-belt up the Labour party. I think that the other affiliated socities - SEA, Christian Socialists, Fabians, etc - might also have done so. I've not been in the Labour Party for 15 years so I can't tell you if this is the case still.


My dad's Jesuit grammar school wiped out his Liverpudlian accent, though weirdly there's still a slight trace of an Irish accent in there.


In NZ, the league accent is the basically Polynesian accent. (Including Maori; league in NZ is from the less nice parts of Auckland, with bit parts played by Wainuiomata (i.e. the less nice parts of Wellington.))


Keir: yiis. (My point was more about the average LARL member, who isn't from Leigh as often as he's Polynesian.)

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