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May 06, 2010

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Charlie

How about that exit poll?

I think the Lib Dems will actually do a bit better than that, and it won't be at Labour's expense. Please, oh please.

Anyway, maybe we will be opening that second bottle of wine. In the meantime, a bath. With the missus.

Chris Williams

19 short? I wonder if that's a max: whereas in 1992 and 1997 the problem was 'shy tories', I think that the problem now is 'shy labour' and although the pollsters appear to be able to cope with that, I wonder it the exit polls have the same level of sophistication. That Wells guy (I knew him before he was famous, you know - he's another shwi-nee) might know but I can't be bothered with facts at this stage.

Cian

Anecdotally a lot of people seem to have voted by postal ballot this time.

Michael Gove. Fuck fuck fuck! Bollocks. They're going to win aren't they.

jamie

"In the meantime, a bath. With the missus."

Quite right. And with no more than 10cm of water. This is the age of austerity, you know.

Richard J

I'm watching American Dad instead. The missus, who is out at a work election do, reports a very muted response there, which as they're the guys responsible for the poll in the first place...

Chris Williams

That's as maybe, but I'm just getting to the end of last night's wine, and it's decision time. Is this going to be a wine night or a whisky night? I've got a endure National Express for most of the morning.

Chris Brooke

Evening all: it's good to have the B&T liveblog. I have a cat on my lap, a can of Stella by my side (another nine in the fridge) and haven't yet sworn at the telly. So a good start.

The cat left a dismembered mouse on the bed this morning - but we didn't have an Etruscan soothsayer to hand to tell us just what it portended.

Richard J

To clarify - I think the missus' point (and no doubt this is evidence of disgraceful political bias) is that few people there are that enthused by the proposed result.

And now I'm back on the election. Sunderland, eh? What a surprise.

Richard J

It occured to me that I've seen very little of the Nader effect this year. Most left-liberal blogs have gone to voting Labour/Lib Dems this year, albeit with varying degrees of gritted teeth.

Chris Williams

Y'all been reading Splinty's guide to constituencies in NI? Pure facty goodness. That would imply that the DUP might walk away with 10 seats. OTOH, the shinners don't sit, so there's no need to factor them into the opposition.

Richard J

Strange comment from Dimbleby about queuing being evidence of third-world politics. I'm genuiniely baffled.

Oh, Portillo as a pundit on Election Night. This is giving me a pleasant flashback to '97.

jamie

"Y'all been reading Splinty's guide to constituencies in NI?"

Best pieces of writing on the whole election, IMO.

Chris Williams

Give that man an Orwell Prize, I say. Each of them has some utter gems buried in it. Today: "Brian Feeney (the best leader the SDLP never had, in my opinion and Brian’s)"

Richard J

Oh, the caveats about tiny sample sizes apply, but these swings are looking unpleasant.

Chris Brooke

Best pieces of writing on the whole election, IMO.

Yes -- they've been terrific.

Richard J

Agreed.

dsquared

Bizarrely, the current winner in terms of mean squared error (assuming the exit poll is right) is the LSE Hix-Vyvyan UNS model with no tactical voting! (2nd is me!)

Chris Williams

Hang on Dan, it's _Alex's_ posts that are too technical to be understood by the uninitiated, not yours. Get it together.

Richard J

Thank fuck for that, scuse my French.

jamie

Hey, Chris B: you want to put a word in re Splinty with your new mates at CIF for a reprint? Could be informative if the Tories end up depending on NI votes.

Chris Williams

I'd guess that what happens in t'rustbelt probably isn't an especially good guide to what's going to happen elsewhere. Labour's line all the last week has been "Do you really want to let the Tories in, merely for the sake of giving us a perhaps deserved shoeing?" In Co Durham, it's pretty obvious that voting Tory /=Tory MP, so the shoeing can go ahead.

OTOH, there's the Ashcroft marginals....

Still, Spurs are in Europe. Get in.

Richard J

Apparently there is no power on Andrew Neil's boat. Now the men in black balaclavas carrying MP-5s come in.

Charlie

Polling stations running out of ballot papers? Queues? Not how it usually goes. And people turning up to vote late, huh. Just time for one more pint ... pillocks. But I take it as a good sign.

Chris Williams

Don't we normally have to start commenting on page 2 by now? Jamie, did you re-set that slider special like for tonight?

jamie

I spoke too soon about the turnout here too. There were actual queues outside one of the polling stations early this evening. Small queues, partly consisting of confused drunks. But still.

Richard J

David Dimbleby seems to be being remarkably testy tonight for some reason. His introduction of Peter Hennessy was bizarrely nasty.

dsquared

for what it's worth, the betting line has moved a lot; it was C321, L207, LD 89 before the exit poll and is now C325, L219, LD69. Not sure what this means (particularly the implicit Tory majority) as the markets are clearly behind the curve.

Chris Williams

Nervous because he feels deep down that this is his last election night outing? Next time, it's Mariella Frostrup.

We're over the fold now - I find that comforting. Or perhaps it's the 'phroaig. Still rather a feeling of phoney war. I want declarations.

ajay

"small queues, partly composed of confused drunks"

aka "Blood and Treasure comment threads"

Richard J

Heineken for me, possibly the leftover white in the fridge once it runs out.

Fuck me, Andrew Neil's party is back. He has the weirdest party guest list ever. Richard Wilson, David Baddiel, Ferne Cotton, Martin Amis, Simon Schama and David Starkey?

Richard J

Joan Collins?!?

Chris Williams

Andrew Neil?!? His guestlist is always going to have a massive disadvantange from the word go: the host. Anything after that's a bonus. Except perhaps Starkey.

Charlie

Ken Clarke upstaged by televisual pictures of Gordon Brown arriving somewhere. Ken Clarke not happy about that. He doesn't seem confident, either.

Might have to send out for a bottle of Scotch if it continues at this level of tension. Secretly hopeful for Battersea HOLD but accept this is unlikely.

Chris Williams

Shoulda voted with your heart, Charlie. It's all about communication in the end (apart from the relatively rare bits that are about genocide), and one aspect of the message we've got to send to the Labour Party has to be "Go too far to the Right and all the Toynbees in the world won't stop us rubbing your noses in it". Whereas our message to the Libdems should be "Enough with the bar graphs already."

Charlie

Let me tell you, it wasn't easy.

Also: polling stations tend to be fairly cheerful places. Not this morning: grumpy as hell.

Chris Williams

Ooh hello, the Greens are sounding slightly smug (and they do smug well) about Brighton. Certainly they depopulated the East Midlands to fuck off down there over the last couple of weeks.

Richard J

I was in Brighton last weekend. Certainly most of the posters in the windows I passed seemed to be Green. Not a particularly scientific measure, I'll grant you.

Chris Williams

PS - in answer to Mrs T, I'd probably need a gun to the head, but it's Sam. It's a posh thing - I don't understand.

Charlie

And it's not so much 'do'; a gentleman shows Samantha Cameron how to cast off the state of oppression that passes for her sex life.

Richard J

I can't honestly say I've given Mrs T's question much thought.

Mrs. Clegg, I think, after a quick refresher. Mind, you'd probably have more of a realistic chance with Gail Sheridan...

(I'm relying on the fact that the libel case would have been only on civil standards of proof, except if that doesn't work in Scotland.)

Richard J

Ah, the missus is back. Some diehards were staying in her office. Not out of having to work (outsourced to academics, apparently), but just because they're mainly politics wonks.

This may be a cue for bed.

Chris Williams

For me, a track record of anti-fascism is always important, which would put Gail in the utterly fictional running.

BTW - Splinty has beaten the count: http://splinteredsunrise.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/know-your-constituency-the-dreary-steeples/

Chris Williams

That Dimbleby grilling of the Electoral Commission person (shorter: "It's all your fault") exposed the fact that he wanted her to be able to issue orders, and she was trying to point out that she was given a job by statute and that wasn't it. She blew it by asking for more laws later, but at least she mentioned the fact that there are thangs called 'electoral petitions' which can arrive at the Commons and need to be dealt with. Hurrah, I say, channeling Joshua Toulmin Smith.

This is Dimbleby, for fuck's sake: he's supposed to know about this Black Rod shit.

Alex

this is the bit of a general election that pisses me off - all the cockery with no actual data.

@Charlie - you could be acting as a facilitator in her transition to lesbianism?

Charlie

Kingswood. Not good.

Charlie

But a very slight swing from Tory to Lib Dem in Torbay. That's a little bit more encouraging.

I facilitate a transition to dykery? What are you incinerating?

Chris Williams

Nonsense extrapolation fills my BBC window. I'm glad I don't pay a licence fee.

Charlie

Seems to be some regional variation in swing, though.

Chris Williams

Re Stoke -I'd like to take back all the snide nastiness that I directed towards Hunt in a book review a few years ago.

Charlie

And Nick Robinson just said what I said. I feel soiled.

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