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July 22, 2011

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Darius Jedburgh

Times cartoon: wow

Paddy M

Actually, from what's emerging about the arrested man, he's at the opposite end of the spectrum:

"Critical of Islam

In online debates Anders Behring Breivik appears as well read, and as having strong opinions about Norwegian politics. He promotes very conservative opinions, which he also calls nationalist. He expresses himself different strongly opposed to multiculturalism - that different cultures can live together in a community.

Breivik has had many posts on the site Document.no, an Islam-critical site that publishes news and commentary.

In one of the posts he states that politics today no longer is concerned with socialism against capitalism, but rather that the fight is between nationalism and internationalism. He expresses clear support for the nationalist mindset.

Anders Breivik Behring has also commented on the Swedish news articles, where he makes it clear that he believes the media have failed by not being Islam-critical enough."

Paddy M

That should read: "He expresses himself strongly opposed to multiculturalism".

JamesP

Given the xenophobic climate in popular politics in the region, I'm glad - if that's the word - that this bastard came from the far right.

Cian

Yeah I thought it being a Norwegian fascist was very likely.

ejh

Old Chomsky-basher Peter Beaumont went for the Islamists

CMcM

That Beaumont piece is contemptible. On a similar note, Tom Harris MP was busy tweeting his horror of Islamic extremists within what seemed like minutes of the news breaking.

The Sun altered that front page - but how many copies reached the street before they did so?

This sort of stuff denies others even the immediate obligation to share the victims' grief: one has to return to the narrative battlefield to counter such fuckwittery.

Cian

Yeah, its not like Norwegian fascists would ever kill anyone, or burn down churches, or shoot people.

If you ever meet a Norwegian who's obsessed with Vikings, walk away. If they start ranting about Rune magick, run very quickly...

Chris Williams

Is anyone (by 'anyone' I kind of mean 'Phil', here) counting the number of far-right white-fascist terrorism plots uncovered in the UK, and comparing it to the number of far-right Muslim-fascist terrorism plots?

I've got some mates in Oslo. Don't know whether to email them yet and ask if they're OK. What if they (or their kids) are not? Damn.

ejh

I would do it: I remember texting and phoning round people after the London bombings. But it's so hard to say.

Chris Williams

It's academics of my generation: almost certainly OK given holidays and location of attacks, but some might have children neices, nephews involved.

CMcM

Who knows Chris, but maybe a generalised short message on lines of 'thinking of you/solidarity' without making any assumptions or asking any questions might be looked back on in gratitude.

Chris Williams

Sent.

belle le triste

Personally I would certainly send something, along the lines of "horrible horrible news, thinking about you, hope all well" or however you want to say it. Not to pester them for immediate response, but to let them know you're thinking of them.

Chris Williams

Right, I've got the personal thing out of the way. Now the politics. It's really beginning to get on my tits that even otherwise reputable media outlets are buying into the trope that if it wasn't done by Teh Moosies, it wasn't 'terrorism': because it might have had 'political motives'. I think a backlash against this position is well overdue.

skidmarx

Old Chomsky-basher Peter Beaumont has had his article removed and replaced with one subheaded:"Targeting government offices and the Labour party camp point to political agenda behind attacks rather than Islamist terrorism".

ejh

Has he really. How amusing.

Cian

Norway has a population of 5 million. At least 84 dead. And mostly children.

Apparently he's a Christian fundie of some kind. What price the clash of civilizations.

JamesP

Looks like there were two of them.

ejh

I note with interest that the Beaumont article carries no notice saying that the text has been altered.

There's presumably no way of tracing the original version?

CMcM

Back to Chris Williams question: an article (linking to the source report) counting who commits terrorist acts in Europe.

"The European Union's Terrorism Situation and Trend Report 2010 states that in 2009 there were "294 failed, foiled, or successfully executed attacks" in six European countries. This was down almost one-third from the total in 2008 and down by almost one-half from the total in 2007.

So in most of Europe, there was no terrorism. And where there was terrorism, the trend line pointed down.

As for who's responsible, forget Islamists. The overwhelming majority of the attacks- 237 of 294 - were carried out by separatist groups, such as the Basque ETA. A further 40 terrorists schemes were pinned on leftist and/or anarchist terrorists. Rightists were responsible for four attacks. Single-issue groups were behind two attacks, while responsibility for a further 10 was not clear.

Chris Williams

Oslo update: friend and hers OK. She is pleased with the way that the Norwegian regime has responded to the crime.

ajay

I've got to say, this has brought home just how lucky we've been with our own relatively incompetent terrorists recently. Even the 7/7 bombers didn't cause this much bloodshed and there were four of them.

ajay

As for who's responsible, forget Islamists. The overwhelming majority of the attacks- 237 of 294 - were carried out by separatist groups, such as the Basque ETA. A further 40 terrorists schemes were pinned on leftist and/or anarchist terrorists. Rightists were responsible for four attacks.

Funny, really, you never think of Europe as really having a left wing terrorist problem. Or at least you don't if you live in Britain. You probably do if you live in Greece.

ejh

Probably mostly low-level stuff though.

ajay

Ejh: mostly, they've killed a few people though.

ejh

This is the original Beaumont and this the curiously-unacknowledged replacement. (Via)

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ajay

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This sounds like a very good idea. Separate out the various bits of News International, reuse the non-organic parts (offices, IT hardware, brand names) and send the organic parts to Resyk for digestion.

Chris Williams

"Soylent Green is _Journalists_?"

Barry Freed

Tasteless, odorless crud. With a hint of ginger.

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