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May 13, 2012

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ajay

That's an abysmal article. Headline: Piratten - ARE THEY NAZIS??

Para 1: Piratten - LIKE THE NAZIS!
Paras 2-13: "Piratten LIKE THE NAZIS" say political opponents;
Para 14: actually, on closer inspection Piratten explicitly anti-Nazi, not racist, not anti-Semitic, no intention of invading Soviet Union;
Para 15: Conclusion: "WELL, PIRATTEN DO LOOK KIND OF LIKE NAZIS" says political opponent.

CMcM

Oh, how sweet: there's a British Pirate Party. The manifesto has four policy sections: copyright,patents, privacy and freedom of speech.

Not a word on any other subject. But four of the five major concerns of your average geeky, IT-literate teenager are definitely covered.

ajay

Wait, I'm confused. Are we scorning them because they're horrible spotty geeks or because they're dodgy Euro-Nazis?

chris y

But four of the five major concerns of your average geeky, IT-literate teenager are definitely covered.

What's the fifth? Making everybody adopt Linux?

ajay

The Green Party manifesto is largely interested in pollution, climate change, recycling and renewable energy, which covers four of the five major concerns of your average filthy soap-dodging pot-smoking hippie.

This is fun!

CMcM

What's the fifth?

Perhaps unfairly, I was assuming the Pirate Party's concerns over privacy and freedom of speech knitted rather well with a teenager's concern to consume porn.

dsquared

The Green Party manifesto is largely interested in pollution, climate change, recycling and renewable energy, which covers four of the five major concerns of your average filthy soap-dodging pot-smoking hippie.

the remaining one being, in my experience as a Green Party member, Israel. Again.

dsquared

And in fairness, although the British wing of the Pirate Party seems to be quite a long way from having a comprehensive program, a similar lack of coherent philosophical approach didn't seem to be much of a hindrance to them doing well in Somalia.

jamie

re ajay, 3. Well I was having a go at them for being horrible spotty geeks.

Sure, the Greens have a somewhat monochrome perspective, ho ho, but they're not actually looking at the world through a very small pinhole. We actually live in the environment one way or another.

Cian

The Greens do have both a social and economic policy. And whatever one thinks of it, its definitely more coherent than the policies of at least two major parties currently sharing power.

In my experience, Democrats in the US are largely obsessed with abortion, gay rights, doing something ill-defined about race. Oh, and wittering on about how stupid Republicans are.

ajay

Civil liberties and freedom of information aren't pinhole issues, though. They're fundamental to how all the other issues get dealt with.

In my experience, Democrats in the US are largely obsessed with abortion, gay rights, doing something ill-defined about race

The most famous Democrat in the US is mostly obsessed with job creation, clean energy, mortgage refinancing and tax policy, at least according to his latest speech.

ejh

Although he's not necessarily famous for having the same priorities in office as he does in his campaign speeches. (This is not unusual, of course, but still.)

ajay

If you're arguing that Obama, in office, has spent most of his time and effort on abortion, gay rights, and doing something ill-defined about race - rather than, say, health care, economic recovery, financial sector regulation and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - then I'd like to see your working, that's all.

Chris Williams

I think that there may well be (perhaps always has and always will be, for social-monkey reasons) a difference between what supporters of a policial movement talk about, what their leaders talk about, and what each of them actually do. I'm speculating, but Cian's point, if interpreted as 'What Democrats I know talk about' which is no great stretch, rings true.

Igor Belanov

I think the Pirate Party also seem to be somewhat selective about what civil liberties they're concerned about. Mostly any that concern computer use.

Cian

I should have been clearer. People for whom being a Democrat is part of their identity, rather than pols.

Democrat politicians are mostly obsessed with raising campaign contributions. Obama is no different from anyone else here.

ajay

I think the Pirate Party also seem to be somewhat selective about what civil liberties they're concerned about. Mostly any that concern computer use.

Nope:

http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/policies/scotland-2011/freedom-individual/

ajay

Cian: not the impression I get, to be honest, but we may read different blogs. Most of the ones I read tend to be more interested in the economy, Afghanistan, electoral mechanics, healthcare, and, yes, how stupid Republicans are.

cian

basing it on democrats that I know personally. Afghanistan seems to be a bigger concern for Republicans, but I live near a huge army base which may skew the results. similarly its mostly Republicans who discuss the economy.

religion, war on women, republicans. its very tribal.

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