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September 12, 2012


john b

One MP, who was a major part of the S Yorks construction establishment (so I'll eat a millinery if he's not a mason) != "politicians, civil servants and elements of the judiciary".

Meanwhile, Taylor, who's about as element-of-the-judiciary as it gets, got the culpability right at the time (despite only *knowing* about some of the ways in which the cops were lying), and made the recommendations that stopped it.

This fits far better into the general 'the cops fuck up, cover up and get away with it, no matter what they do or who the victim is, and even when they get found out they still don't go to jail' narrative, which is in no way football-specific.

Chris Williams

Also note the crucial role of the Police Federation in the slandering process - despite the fact that lots of the rank and file PCs on duty knew that the operation was a screw up and said so in their reports.

This 'blame the victim' police/media nexus is one of the ways in which Hillsborough wasn't very different to Stockwell, Forest Gate, etc. The police slander machine - which fits more or less neatly into the inputs of a press libel machine - is something which needs more exposing. Yes, we knew, but not for all values of 'knew', or 'we'.

Chris Williams

Interest to declare: I am mentioned in the Report. fn p. 372. Luckily the version of the paper concerned is the reprint with the grown-up title, not the original version of the paper, which was published as 'Beware of the Leopard'.


I think Forest Gate was an even bigger wakeup call on that front than Stockwell - stories came out after the shooting that were hard to explain any other way than as the result of somebody saying "just make up something, it'll buy us another day". Or, more probably, of a setup where nobody actually needed to say it. So, um... it'd been like that for a while, you reckon?

Chris Williams

Pr'aps. More research is necessary to find out how long. Rob Mawby's doing some which might help, and Sue Charmain also. Met press office arrived, interesting enough, when the counter-insurgency guy took over...

Chris Williams

The 2003 Criminal Justice Act allows for prosecution appeals, following the failure of a public or private prosecution, in cases of serious crime where new and compelling evidence emerges. Including for manslaughter.

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